From hostmaster@nic.uk Wed May 14 04:05:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA18520 for mouse; Wed, 14 May 2003 04:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nominet.org.uk (@staff.nominet.org.uk [194.205.67.10]) by Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA via TCP with SMTP id "MFgwDT.HbTg.XDf"; 14 May 2003 04:04:58 -0400 (EDT, 08:04:58 GMT) Received: from csdemilie2 (dhcp206.nominet.org.uk [194.205.67.206]) by nominet.org.uk (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h4E7NdiR000525 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 08:23:40 +0100 (BST) From: "Hostmaster" To: "der Mouse" Subject: RE: Spam complaint: www.condomia.co.uk Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:25:48 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200305131815.OAA08369@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Hi, Nominet UK are _not_ a regulatory body, if you want spam stopped you will have to contact the Internet Service Provider that is responsible for relaying the spam! The .uk Domain Name structure does not have 'Registrar's' like the .com structure. Nominet UK is the sole National 'Registry' for Domain Names ending with .uk, we operate a Tag Holder (also known as Registrant's Agent) structure which is the equivalent of a NIC-Handle. Standard would be to email abuse@lowcostnames.co.uk or even abuse@advantage-interactive.com to report the spammer or go further up the hierarchy to abuse@fasthosts.co.uk! It believe that if you check the IP address allocation of the Name Servers responsible for the service for condomia.co.uk you will find that they are allocated to Fasthosts Internet Limited. $ whois -h whois.ripe.net 213.171.192.250 % This is the RIPE Whois server. % The objects are in RPSL format. % % Rights restricted by copyright. % See http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/pub-services/db/copyright.html inetnum: 213.171.192.0 - 213.171.197.255 netname: FASTHOSTS-UK-NETWORK descr: UK's largest web hosting company descr: based in Gloucester, England country: GB admin-c: RC2965-RIPE tech-c: MW8691-RIPE status: ASSIGNED PA mnt-by: RIPE-NCC-NONE-MNT changed: hostmaster@ripe.net 20000510 source: RIPE route: 213.171.192.0/19 descr: FasthostInternet Ltd origin: AS15418 mnt-by: AS15418-MNT changed: mnt@fasthosts.co.uk 20020113 source: RIPE route: 213.171.192.0/19 descr: FasthostInternet Ltd origin: AS2856 mnt-by: BTNET-MNT mnt-routes: AS15418-MNT changed: g.turnbull@bt.com 20020807 source: RIPE person: Rob Crack address: Fasthosts Internet Limited address: Suite 7, Discovery Court address: 154 Southgate Street address: Gloucester, GL1 2EX phone: +44 1452 541251 fax-no: +44 1452 541633 e-mail: rob@fasthosts.co.uk nic-hdl: RC2965-RIPE changed: mark@fasthosts.co.uk 20000316 source: RIPE person: Mark Wood address: Fasthosts Internet Limited address: Suite 7, Discovery Court address: 154 Southgate Street address: Gloucester, GL1 2EX phone: +44 1452 541251 fax-no: +44 1452 541633 e-mail: mark.wood@fasthosts.co.uk nic-hdl: MW8691-RIPE mnt-by: AS15418-MNT changed: mnt@fasthosts.co.uk 20021128 source: RIPE Nominet UK have given you the address contact details of the company that holds the Domain Name registration that you say is sending you the spam, a good old fashioned legal letter via the postal system is still an effective method of communication. Nominet UK will not act as a mediator relaying complaints of spam to Internet Service Providers or Registrants. You will need to contact them directly yourself. WHOIS query result: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Domain Name: condomia.co.uk Registrant: Babylon Technologies Ltd Registrant's Address: 2 Richill Park Londonderry BT47 5QX GB Registrant's Agent: Advantage Interactive Design Ltd t/a Advantage [Tag = AI] URL: http://www.lowcostnames.co.uk Relevant Dates: Registered on: 19-Mar-2003 Last updated: 26-Mar-2003 Name servers listed in order: ns1.livedns.co.uk 213.171.192.250 ns2.livedns.co.uk 213.171.193.250 WHOIS database last updated at 08:10:02 14-May-2003 -- (c) Nominet UK For further information and terms of use please see http://www.nic.uk/whois Nominet reserves the right to withhold access to this service at any time. Nominet UK can _not_ assist you any further in this matter. I wish you success. 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However, Nominet cannot accept liability for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and would advise that you carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. -------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: der Mouse [mailto:mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA] Sent: 13 May 2003 19:11 To: Hostmaster Cc: mouse@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA Subject: Re: Spam complaint: www.condomia.co.uk > Nominet UK is the sole National Registry for Domain Names ending with > .uk, we are not a regulatory body therefore have no jurisdiction over > use of Domain Name for Spam or website content. So, spammers can register .uk names and spam to their heart's content and you won't lift a finger to stop them? I'm sure the spammer world will be happy to hear that. > For this you will need to contact the Internet Service Provider that > is responsible for the provision of Service for the Domain Name > condomia.co.uk, which is Advantage Interactive Design Ltd t/a > Advantage [Tag = AI] URL: http://www.lowcostnames.co.uk Except that's a webpage, not a contact address; I want information to flow in the other direction, from me to them. > IANA are fully aware of where Nominet UK's whois server is, I recommend to your inspection the output of querying whois.iana.org for "uk". It does not list a whois server. > Country Code Top Level Domain Registries have a whois server at > 'whois.nic.**'. This is not always so; for example, .ca's server is at whois.cira.ca, not whois.nic.ca - and whois.iana.org (correctly) lists it. > The United Kingdom are subject to the Data Protection Act 1998, > therefore Nominet UK do not publish email address or telephone > numbers. If the UK forbids you from publishing contact emails for domain registrars or registrants, the UK has no place on the net. Unless, of course, you take on the duties of accepting complaint and passing them along to the correct parties. What is the correct address to email my complaints about .uk domains to, then? /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B